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02-20-18  pillz

Venezuela launches presale of state-backed ‘petro’ cryptocurrency

Venezuela on Tuesday launched a presale of its cryptocurrency, the petro, in a highly controversial offering in which the embattled South American country is seeking to raise billions of dollars.

The presale of the coins that will be backed by Venzeuala’s vast oil reserves was announced by Tareck El Aissami, Venezuela’s vice-president, according to his office’s website.

A white paper issued by the government said Venezuela would make up to 38.4m petro coins available beginning at 8:30am local time (12:30pm GMT) on Tuesday. It gave a reference price of $60 per coin, based on the January price of a barrel of oil, but said that discounts would be offered.

The presale is expected to close on March 19. Venezuela will then follow-up with an initial coin offering, of 44m tokens. Overall, 100m tokens will be pre-mined (although not all will be sold), which would give the full lot a value of $6bn, assuming the pricing was in-line the $60 per coin reference.

Venezuela’s foray into the booming cryptocurrencies market comes as its proper currency, the bolívar, has collapsed in value. On the black market, one dollar costs some 235,000 bolívars.

The country is in the throes of one of the worst economic crises in Latin American history, having contracted by a third in the past half-decade. A further 15 per cent contraction is expected this year, according to the International Monetary Fund, while inflation is forecast to hit 13,000 per cent.

Meanwhile, the US last summer escalated its sanctions aimed at the regime of President Nicolás Maduro. The order signed by US President Donald Trump halted the involvement of US instutitions from any involvement in bonds and shares issued by the Venezuelan government and PDVSA, the state-owned oil company.

The petro is aimed at overcoming the “economic sabotage” committed by the US, according to the statement from Mr El Aissami.

Venezuela said in the white paper that 55 per cent of the funds raised in the petro ICO would go towards its sovereign fund, in return for the “support given to the use of petro.” The remainder is destined to support the petro project “in order to promote its massive adoption.”

The petro is different from almost all other cryptocurrencies in that it has the enthusiastic support of the state. One of the biggest allures to many crypto-traders investing in other tokens is the currencies’ decentralised nature.

Venezuela has vowed to “that it will accept petros as a form of payment of national taxes, fees, contributions and public services.” It will ensure that “the use of petro will be promoted by PDVSA and other public and joint ventures, as well as national public entities and regional and local governments.”

Of course, despite the government’s excitement over the petro, the plan has many detractors.

“This isn’t a cryptocurrency, this is a forward sale of Venezuelan oil,” Jorge Millán, a Venezuelan legislator, said earlier this year. “It is tailor-made for corruption.”

02-20-18  Alex

shana tova. :~)


ist jetzt Herbst?
2018: September 9 at sundown - nightfall on September 11

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/JewishNewYear/template_cdo/aid/671869/jewish/When-is-Rosh-Hashanah-in-2017-2018-2019-and-2020.htm

02-20-18  5000bath

shana tova. :~)

02-20-18  Alex

toda³

02-20-18  pillz

ata gam , tiheye bari ...

02-20-18  Alex

wanneer?

ik vlieg in April, moet Chamei Yoav voor mijn rug.

tiyeh bari

02-20-18  pillz

niet naar Nederland , naar Israel ..

02-20-18  Alex

wil jij verhuizen, p?

02-20-18  pillz

ultrahippe = dat begrijp ik :-)

02-20-18  Alex

ultrahippe Amsterdam

ik haat AMS en alle Amsterdammers

02-20-18  panasonic

Carib, Ramirez was a BIG slice of the pie..
very big!

02-20-18  pillz

Alex fyi.......

https://www.ing.nl/zakelijk/kennis-over-de-economie/onze-economie/de-nederlandse-economie/publicaties/minder-woningverkopers-in-hoofdstad.html

02-20-18  pillz

Alex,,,,,, Zoek maar eens een woning in Amsterdam ...
ING becijferde dat koopwoningen in het ultrahippe Amsterdam nu 60 procent duurder zijn dan het Nederlandse gemiddelde, in 2004 was het verschil slechts 1 procent.

02-20-18  carib

Panas: with a growing cake.. there is room for everybody.
with a shrinking cake.. not so.

02-20-18  Merlino

Eudis Girot director ejectivo de FUTPV pide que se haga una consulta entre los trabajadores de la petrolera. Contra la corrupción gerencial, destrucción de producción, colapso operativo e ilegitimidad sindical. Convocan a un congreso nacional "para salvar" a #PDVSA
............................................................
The political trigger in Veni could well be a Pdvsa strike. Traditionally good local salaries are in the bin. Accrued social benefits have been liquefied. Individuals and pension funds holding pdvsa bonds do not receive coupons. Working posts at risk. About 100 managers in jail. Any remaining meritocracy has seemingly disappeared as per military incorporations. There are some unions executives that clearly oppose Maduro and seem to have enough power as they are not touched/jailed

02-20-18  panasonic

Edvi...what exactly is going on? now that Ramirez
is out there is enough for the two remaing gangs
...

02-20-18  Merlino

El pleito de El Aissami y Quevedo recrudeció en los últimos días
.........................................
Does this pleito has anything to do with paying/not paying debt or it is just a power struggle?

02-20-18  Edvi

maibort petit

@maibortpetit
2m minutes ago

Ysmel Serrano no ha aparecido hoy por su despacho. Un PC asegura que está reunido en Carmelitas con el vicepresidente Tareck El Aissami. El pleito de El Aissami y Quevedo recrudeció en los últimos días. Todo parece indicar que los militares se impusieron esta vez


02-20-18  pillz

now the roll yield is about -12% or in backwardation ... so now it is buying low the future and sells high daily the vix cash... soo uvxy go up ...

02-20-18  panasonic

amigo, Ysmel from same gang as Aissami, they have master degree
in Pablo Escobar Business School, and PhD in ISIS law school.

If confirmed that puts Aissami well ahead in power over Diosdy

...meaning bus driver more encapsulated

02-20-18  panasonic

amigo, a lot of things improved in DR...seems that safety is
not quite solved, cultural thing or narco gangs are still
very active?

02-20-18  pillz

usually when vix future are in contango , uvxy go down ... why they must buy higher the future , so buy higher and sell lower ...

02-20-18  Alex

you would change country of residence?


no, I have Bulgaria and Netherlands, both very advantageous tax situation.




I don´t care if someone is gay, Asselborns arrogance desturbs me.

02-20-18  optimist

Pillz: is it possible that as far as there's contango in VIX futures, UVXY would trade up regardless of VIX cash direction?

for example:
VIX cash at 15, VIX futures in contango. UVXY at, say 17

next day

sp500 is up, VIX cash at 13, VIX futures at contango again. Can UVXY remain 17 ( or trade higher if contango is bigger)

02-20-18  amigo-latino

Pana,

Household helpers in DR generally steal if they find valuables( jewelry, cash, etc.). They cannot resist the temptation.

They check the pockets of clothes in the closets, boxes, etc.
They steal clothes of women.

Some even steal household supplies(rice, beans, meats, etc.).

Prosecutions are very rare. Convictions are almost non existent, bc of lack of proof.
By the time the owner discovers the theft of valuables it is too late. The valuables are out of the house
and are hidden at the homes of relatives of the maid.

The maid simply loses job. She does not care. She will get another job.

More dangerous: If the maid suspects that there are valuables(cash or jewelry) and are locked in a room or safe deposit box, she would inform the husband(or relatives).
Then the owner should expect a sudden raid(forced or surreptitious entry--the maid may open the door-- by a group of violent thugs .

There is a possible solution: Pay a high salary(going salary 5000-8000pesos/m), like, 15000pesos/m.

Have her background checked thoroughly(references, police,etc.).
And not to keep valuables at home. And not to talk on the phone with your broker when she is nearby.

Helps to have the kitchen far away from your office room.

02-20-18  carib

Alex: I wrote "the next minister".
I dislike countries, BTW..

02-20-18  Roger

so the petros is launching today

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/venezuela-petro-cryptocurrency-180219065112440.html

https://www.coindesk.com/venezuelas-petro-token-launches-pre-sale/


if anyone has an idea how this works, or where to track and follow.
Very curions about how this will unfold.

Petros manual website: http://www.elpetro.gob.ve/index-en.html
Did not have the time to dig in yet


02-20-18  Alex

next foreign minister dislikes Orban.

http://www.novinite.com/articles/188045/Hungarian+Prime+Minister+Orban+Arrives+on+an+Official+Visit+to+Sofia


furthermore, Bulgaria is a county, Luxembourg is a suburb of Bruxelles or Köln.

;-)))))

02-20-18  pillz

Carib, as always , in vol. when it is high sell calls on the uvxy

if you want to secure your margin buy some puts ... and wait till you have profit ...

02-20-18  carib

Pill: what will the next profitable trade be?

;-)

02-20-18  pillz

How One Of The Most Profitable Trades Blew Up In One Day ....

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/2018-02-16/how-one-of-the-most-profitable-trades-blew-up-in-one-day

02-20-18  carib

Or would you leave a country because a minister is gay?
(Asselborn, by the way, is not)

02-20-18  carib

Alex: hence, if next year there is a change of government in Bulgaria and the next foreign minister dislikes Orban.. you would change country of residence?

02-20-18  Alex

Drug smuggling & terrorism

02-20-18  amigo-latino

Pana,

I wonder what they(Ysmel Serrano y Tareck El Aissami) studied?

02-20-18  semiretired

# not tax free residence for individuals. Change from 10% to 20%..

tax-free is possible with a suitable structure as a local resident. costs around 10k pa. every lux lawyer can tell.

but you certainly will be bored to death in the land of junckers and asselblooms.

02-20-18  panasonic

"Ysmel Serrano, egresado de la Universidad de Los Andes, estudió
con el Gobernador Tareck El Aissami, ambos fueron fundadores de
movimientos estudiantiles de izquierda, lideraron los centros de
estudiantes por muchos años. Como profesionales fueron invitados
por el Presidente Hugo Chávez a participar en su lucha donde se
iniciaron en la antigua Onidex, posteriormente llegaron al
Viceministerio de Interior y Justicia, donde Serrano estuvo dos años al frente de la Dirección Nacional de Prisiones, fue uno de los que impulsó la Cárcel Modelo de Coro junto a Tareck El Aissami"

bus driver appoints jail keeper as head of Pdvsa?

02-20-18  Merlino


Petroguia 5 hours ago

Fuerte rumor que el mayor general Manuel Quevedo sale de la presidencia de PDVSA
Ysmer Serrano, actual vicepresidente de PDVSA, se menciona en reemplazo de Manuel Quevedo
...................................
No doubt a sea of stability and happiness

02-20-18  Alex

https://diepresse.com/home/ausland/aussenpolitik/5374720/Luxemburgs-Aussenminister-Asselborn-nennt-Orban-einen-Diktator

02-20-18  Alex

and badmouthing King Victor of Hungary, what the fgg this thing thinks it is.....

02-19-18  Alex

he is a leftard fggy a$$h0le³

02-19-18  carib

What is wrong with Asselborn, now?
He is a nice fellow..

02-19-18  Alex

Lux.. sells structures and rulings, not tax free residence for individuals.
Change from 10% to 20%..



where this Asselborn asshole rules, no place for me

02-19-18  carib

Security levels in DR not satisfactory, according to Amigo.

02-19-18  panasonic

"household help are a source of danger"

why?

02-19-18  amigo-latino

DR has visa scheme for individuals with a pension, and wealthy individuals who have a certain monthly income .

They are exempt from paying taxes on foreign source income, and pay a reduced rate in property
transfer taxes.

Negatives: household help are a source of danger

02-19-18  panasonic

amateur, no doubt.

02-19-18  panasonic

Carib, must be shocking for people to find they owe money on
remittance they did 28 years ago...those who died are exempted?

:-(((

02-19-18  amateur

"we are getting older.. and that is not likely to stop!"
Indeed. So health care and a friendly place to be old become more relevant, even, than taxes.

02-19-18  carib

Example of IMHO crazy retro-active measure:

"The draft law provides that funds which have been directly or indirectly transferred from Slovenian bank accounts into accounts in the designated tax havens will be subject to a penalty tax rate. For transfers made from June 25, 1991, until the entry into force of the draft law, a rate of 20 percent will apply and the liable persons will have to make payments within a six-month period following the entry into force of the draft law. For transfers of funds made after the entry into force of the draft law, a rate of 22 percent will apply and payments will be due within three months of making the relevant transfer. In case of breach of the obligation of payment of the relevant sum, the liable person will be charged by the tax authority at a rate of 80 percent of the transferred funds."

"Liable persons include natural persons with Slovenian citizenship; foreign natural persons holding accounts in banks and other payment institutions in Slovenia; legal entities registered in Slovenia operating in the relevant period covered by the draft law; and foreign legal entities holding accounts in banks and other payment institutions in Slovenia during the relevant period. The draft law excludes from its scope certain entities, including State authorities, international organisations, religious organisations, as well as remittances made by banks on their own behalf and payments made by Banka Slovenije."

02-19-18  carib

Panas: fully agree on that.

02-19-18  panasonic

Carib, yes offer menu likely to increase...but better to seek
deals in country other than one of origin, who needs to connect
past with present having other options with "no past"

02-19-18  carib

The point, IMHO.. is not number of "takers" (which is rather high, for example, in Portugal).. but the fact you have many jurisdictions competing in offering attractive tax exemptions to impatriates. This competition, IMHO, is likely to continue.

02-19-18  carib

Merlino: the law can always change, insofar as it has no retro-active consequences.. but there is no requirement to import or disclose foreign assets. The text of the regulation is actually quite good. Problem is.. declining quality of life in Italy.
Given takers are not yet numerous.. there would be no incentive to change the law any time soon. Changes would yield close to zero.. and scare potential customers away for ever.

02-19-18  Merlino

It is now, for impatriatos with real money
..............................
an a taste for big gambles such as disclosing assets believing they will honor the contract and will not change the law afterwards.
Me does not see many takers however who knows?

02-19-18  carib

Merlino: it's a knife that cuts both ways..
Who could have imagined Italy trying to become a tax haven.. just 5 years ago?
It is now, for impatriatos with real money.

02-19-18  carib

A factor we should not forget.. is that after 20 years of chatting in this forum.. we are getting older.. and that is not likely to stop!
hence, our future likely mobility, is probably lower than the past.

02-19-18  panasonic

i.e: I expect at least 5 years more of current rules in Panama,
or would result a neutral move coming here

02-19-18  panasonic

Savo, under view that everything is changing, and tech is making
it faster than we ever expected, probably it's better to tune up
you current arrangement than seeking new ones...spending money to
move, re-build all again to face new rules short time after is
counter-productive.

02-19-18  Merlino

In my view...the EU is turning very nasty...
.........................................
...and wait till aftermath of next financial crisis/recession ...when govs will need even more money...to pay for even more unproductive immigration, universal income, etc...anything goes as long as you vote for me...

02-19-18  carib

PS: in a way or another.. people pay some taxes anyway, either the direct way.. or the indirect way, via higher costs, in "tax-free" countries.
The issue is keeping the amount down to a erasable size, in line with services received.. that include rule of law, social peace, security, public transport.. and social services.

02-19-18  carib

Savo:
Lux.. sells structures and rulings, not tax free residence for individuals.
Change from 10% to 20%.. is just a way to promote the use of structures to eliminate the problem.
Unlike Coloria, in Lux a third of the active population leaves the country every working day, without border controls or records.. remaining tax residents in Lux.. hence there is no possible "183 days rule".. in practice and in theory.
Rules change continuously.. and people and markets continuously adapt..
The EU.. was, is and will remain a high tax high welfare area.. with plenty shifting loopholes.. until it becomes (if ever) a real union.
Outside of the EU.. you have plenty carib islands.. and south east asian countries..
and Panama.

02-19-18  savo

pana.... nobody knows... 10% on financial income Lux.. turned suddenly into 20%...very drastic IMHO.

Zero% tax on offshore income Uru... turned 12% on income...and some years later also 12% on cap gain ...

0% Andorra turned 15%...

The Uk put an expensive time limit to non doms...

no minimum number of days Coloria... turned into 180 days...

there are many examples of "drastic" changes...

in any case.. changes very disruptive to a person without being drastic...

In my view...the EU is turning very nasty... there are schemes to mitigate that in certain countries for a number of years... but not permanently...


02-19-18  5000bath

äh if WTI now..

02-19-18  5000bath

fwiw / pdvsa 2020
http://www.venezuelaaldia.com/2018/02/17/ejecutivos-de-citgo-fueron-enjuiciados-por-un-acuerdo-de-endeudamiento-que-nunca-se-concreto/
if WTI no tracks higher, it faces some pretty heavy resistance in the range of ~70$ - ~75$ (longterm resistance) imho just to look at it from a technical Point of view. perhaps middle-east
turn worse.(max Chart)
https://www.comdirect.de/inf/indizes/detail/chart.html?timeSpan=5Y&ID_NOTATION=31117979#timeSpan=SE&e&

02-19-18  panasonic

Savo, don't think rules will change that drastically, on contrary
it will change to attract more HNWI, not less.

02-19-18  carib

Savo: if a guy commutes between 4 jurisdictions every year, dividing his time in 25% equal shares.. the tax consequences of such arrangement can only be evaluated after naming the 4 jurisdictions in question. But there is an inherent risk some jurisdictions will go after the guy.
An arrangement where the guy selects a good jurisdiction as tax residence, and spends there most of the time.. is IMHO preferable to the 4 countries solution.

02-19-18  carib

Savo: i do not want to misunderstood.
I think privacy is a key value that I would like to preserve, and am very pissed with the idea of big brother following my every step and payment. As pissed as you, I would say.
Having said that, we should consider actions we can effectively take, and technological developments which are entirely beyond our control and ability of reacting effectively to. It is pointless to stay pissed at things you cannot avoid anyway.
I am ready to accept significant costs and complications in order to preserve a decent amount of financial privacy, but I am not ready to go and live on a desert island in the south pacific for ever... and account in coconuts and bananas.. just to remain untracked.
Given the above, my first objective was to avoid CRS or limit its scope insofar as legally possible. In this, one should bear in mind that efforts to try circumventing CRS with cumbersome funny arrangements can also be considered illegal.
The easiest way to avoid this problem, is residing in a jurisdiction that preserves bank secrecy for residents.. and bank there. There will be no possible CRS reporting in that case.
the more complex way.. implies the use of structures compliant with CRS reporting, but limiting such reporting to a bare minimum, and directed towards investor-friendly jurisdictions only.

02-19-18  savo

pana.. it is not that easy to change arrangements..if a scheme works .. one expects it to continue working...not have to change it every few years...

02-19-18  panasonic

Savo, till rules are changed...nothing, guy is fully compliant.

and if rules are changed, cannot be applied retro-actively so
guy can drop places that became bitter, which has very
little chance to happen as competition for HNWI is growing.

02-19-18  savo

carib...a guy that has 4 properties... in 4 different jurisdictions... spends 90 days in each...only one of which is a tax heaven....he obviously chooses that as his main address.

What will the leviathan do with this fellow?


02-19-18  savo

carib..i think this is an EU problem...that is why I am saying "going far"...

outside the EU there are many countries that treat the Colores kind as clients...it is not just about tax competition... it is about being seen as an asset for the country ... not a cow to milk.

02-19-18  savo

carib.. i have a problem with the existence of a main frame storing every move we make... per se.... irrespective of the tax implications... is about the right that we should have to privacy... when was the right to privacy cancelled?

As for the day rules that you mention... you do not know going forward... nobody knows... those hold well today... but they have the info... they may use it however way they want... they may change the rules.... what is a max of 180 today may be less tomorrow... what was a minimum of 180 today.. may be more tomorrow... the strategy is to box us in a place...

I am a small fish but still have properties in various locations.. i like to circulate among them..i do not overstay...but i do not want to be controlled...i do not want my moves to be stored... the info has always been there... but now they will have everything in one big system.. press a bottom and have all our lives printed out....i do not understand why you find this "no problem"... or "if one does not have anything to hide... why care"..... of course i want my private life to be private...


02-19-18  panasonic

Merlino, that is why Govs. are gaining data from other sources
...people with sizeable assets will sell and replace them
by AirBnB, credit cards info will become highly relevant.

02-19-18  carib

Panas: there is little to worry about, except mistakes (that can happen) if you have been fully compliant and careful for over a decade, and have chosen your country of effective residence after full due diligence.

02-19-18  carib

Merlino: I think the correct formulation is "in a country that could have reasonable grounds for going after you". In theory, any country could for one reason or the next "go after you". In practice.. some are very aggressive, but most are not, concerning law abiding foreigners.

02-19-18  panasonic

Carib, so there is nothing to worry abt.

02-19-18  Merlino

Imho besides complying with days of stay and other fiscal regulations main point is not to have any seazable asset like a holiday home (or receiving a regular pension) in the country which may target you. Should one owns a holiday home (and related neccessary local bank account, services bills, driving license, car, etc.) one must accept the sad reality it could and it will likely be embargoed at the minimum problem and it can be lost. Tax authorities imho are not interested in the least after targeting you for whatever reason whether or not they were right. Once the proccess get in motion it is very difficult and cumbersome for an individual to stop it at reasonable cost and in a reasonable time. I wonder if a sad time may come in which tax authorities of a given country will be able to frozen bank accounts and/or assets in another country. This is not yet happening as far as I know.

02-19-18  carib

Panas: there no "immigration record" of any kind within Schengenland.

02-19-18  carib

Ps: IMHO...there is not yea a real "big brother" that will actually actively follow every step each one takes, but just the ability of doing so, if desired.
The exchange of information triggered by CRS has started, and will be fully effective by next year. Those taxpayers that will be the object of information exchange, with data that will not match their own tax statements, will face big trouble. Large taxpayers will be the object of extended scrutiny, even in the absence of communication. Countries that have deliberate policies to attract wealthy foreign residents.. IMHO will just check the form, and refrain from pestering the foreign guests. That is the way tax competition works.

02-19-18  panasonic

Carib, yep...witch hunting continues, as Savo said now is not
enough being careful with passports stamps, the simple fact
someone paid in restaurant with credit card can trigger an
audit...Mr. Crepe was not in France 23-May-2015 according to
his immigration records, but had dinner in Champs Elysees that day.


02-19-18  carib

Panas: it is not only a matter of "fakes".. but of different standards applied by different jurisdictions, that can result in double or triple taxation.
Statutes of limitation durations depend on jurisdictions concerned. Usually they are 5 years, but can go back 10 or 15 years in certain cases.
That said, reliable macro-data is becoming available just now.. so it is rather impossible to prove now where Mr Jones was every single day of the year 2005, for example.
Those who left for real and for good the country of origin in the last century, and following all the proper formal steps, are safe, IMHO. Those who left by 2010 in proper and due form, IMHO.. are 90% safe.

02-19-18  panasonic

in the end all reduces to real residency (fakes won't stand),
and how far back tax officer can check someone that was resident
even if left say 10 years ago.

02-19-18  carib

Ps: of course, he should also have no kids in school in France (except boarding schools).. should not be UK domiciled and plenty other nagging details.

02-19-18  carib

Savo: I guess recording of moves and payments will happen sooner or later irrespective of residence. This just implies that people who do not respect the terms of the residence they claim might have trouble with third parties. But, If a Coloria resident spends 184 days or more every year there, and no more than 89 days in any other single jurisdiction.. I do not see why he should be in any trouble. Likewise, if he spends in Coloria less than 183 days, but more time in Coloria than in any other EU jurisdiction, less than 120 days in the US and so in any other country.. I do not see a problem. I have been "counting days" for 10 years already myself.. so I do not see the big change.

02-19-18  carib

Wally: it was 2007.. I was flying Air France from Brasil.. and I have no memory of details.. except many many people in the airport (maybe even in fast track lines).

02-19-18  savo

wally.. i guess it depends on the level of corruption...in any case it seems that if the european salinist leviathan manages to pass legislation whereby every move we make and every payment we make is stored centrally in one big frame.. then we will have to look for residence somewhere very far...

02-19-18  wally

savo
my happiness list is not that easy to satisfy in the first world.
*****
real happiness and satisfaction can only be found in a country
with rampant corruption!

02-19-18  wally

I do not travel economy.. but had long line for passport control in BKK
*****
you missed the fast track line plus the airline has obviously not
handed out the "invitation" for the fast track counter.

btw, are you referring to your visit in 2007? if yes what airport?
Suvarnabhumi or Don Muang?

fast track in BKK (SUV) is security AND immigration. don't know
how it's handled in Don Muang.

02-19-18  panasonic

Leo, surprise is out...watch the video.

https://www.noticiasaldiayalahora.co/nacionales/video-fue-la-sorpresa-maduro/

02-19-18  savo

amigo.. bootlicking is becoming endemic...

interesting letter from Arreaza to Peru... where they clearly lost thei rminds

https://twitter.com/jaarreaza

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