06-08-26 panasonic
Abt. antisemitism, from a racial point of view, Spal is perfectly right, Jews and middle eastern all the same "semites", so that's a term that has been used for centuries to disguise anti-jewish sentiment.
Nothing new under the sun, just highlights the importance of the state of Israel for Jews survival.
As posted here many times, Iran's (China?) agenda goes beyond destruction of the state of Israel, that is the unifying speech, {like socialists talking abt. oligarchs and end torturing kids protesting for a piece of bread).
Iran's buildup far more ambitious than reaching Israel, agenda became crystal clear once gulf states were attacked.
Media couldn't care less how many civilians are killed daily in Ukraine by Putin, so let's face it, they would be glad to see Israel wiped out, no more no less.
Pick your side, but nobody will drink the koolaid that 1 Billion muslims must be defended from 15MM Jews. |
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06-08-26 savo
irrespective of who is the target i do not agree with eye for an eye and least with 1000 eyes for an eye.
in any case ..pointless discussion. |
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06-08-26 pillz
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06-08-26 pillz
because there are enemies of israel in that city...
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NO , there are no friends in that city, they all want to kill jews ... |
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06-08-26 pillz
the part that i do not understand is when did it became accepted that israelis have the right to level a city because there are enemies of israel in that city... or flatten a building because there is a guy they do not like in that building.
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but you understand that on Oct 7 , Hamas invaded Israel and killed 1200 people children and women , why ? there was no distinction , there was no motive to take 300 hostage .. etc... I can understand the reaction... |
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06-08-26 carib
Savo: indeed, some israeli citizens are christian, other muslims.. and many actually agnostic.. but the State of Israel came into existence because of Zionism. One can fill many bookshelves with papers written on the subject, and I doubt discussing the issue here can generate any new ideas or solutions.
I hope Bibi is not reelected in september, and we can turn this page. |
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06-08-26 carib
| Savo: I guess the litmus test is "the right to exist in peace and security within accepted and recognised borders". The islamic parties that have not accepted this principle in 1947 or later paid a high cost indeed.. |
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06-08-26 carib
SPAL: I am not jewish (or just marginally so genetically, as many other people), and I will not venture to judge the way they see themselves, but respect it.
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06-08-26 savo
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06-08-26 spal
Carib - it is mythology, as in the end is the entirety of our experience ... yours and mine.
Jewish Identity as Construct: "Born Jewish" is a post-birth consensus label (via matrilineal rule in Talmud Kiddushin 68b). It is not a biological fact. Acculturation comes later, shaping a cultural/ethnic-religious peoplehood. Jewishness isn't racial. It's a shared, imposed narrative.
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06-08-26 savo
carib... i understand the part that israelis want to defen their line... i do not equate jews with israelis though...
the part that i do not understand is when did it became accepted that israelis have the right to level a city because there are enemies of israel in that city... or flatten a building because there is a guy they do not like in that building. |
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06-08-26 spal
Because Jews share genetic background with their non-Jewish Middle Eastern neighbors, there is no distinct "Jewish race" at a DNA level.
Instead, there is a regional geographic pool. A DNA test can tell you your ancestors came from the Levant, but it cannot distinguish between an ancient Judean, a Phoenician, or a Nabataean. Therefore, using genetics to claim a completely unique, exclusive racial identity fails because the science points to a shared regional cousinhood. |
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06-08-26 spal
not by a pre-existing "Jewish gene"
A myth. |
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06-08-26 spal
Furthermore, genetic studies of Jewish populations show that while there are distinct maternal "founder lineages" (particularly among Ashkenazi Jews), many of those ancient maternal ancestors were local European or Mediterranean women who integrated into the community millennia ago. If a maternal line can begin with a non-Jewish woman who converted or integrated, then the line is defined by her acceptance into the narrative, not by a pre-existing "Jewish gene."
Jewishness IS just customs and mythology ... a shit ton of the latter. |
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06-08-26 spal
Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is passed entirely from mother to child, unchanged, for generations. This is in ALL humans.
It creates a direct maternal lineage.
Because every human on earth has a direct maternal lineage traceable via mtDNA, there is nothing biologically unique about a maternal line itself. An mtDNA sequence can tell you about deep ancestral migrations, but it cannot stamp a person with a legal or national identity. |
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06-08-26 carib
Spal: the point is judaism is not a creed, like catholicism or islam, but a "people". one can become a muslim just be reciting a formula, or become catholic by accepting baptism.. but one cannot "become a jew" as easily, unless one is born from a jewish mother.
Having lost their country, Judea 2020 years ago, and having been persecuted ever since, it is understandable they wanted to take it back, and preserve it.The arabs have many countries, the jews only one (besides New York City... ;-) |
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06-08-26 spal
| Zionism can be understood as a defensive particularism - in a flawed world. I understand this and clearly the flaws of this world are self evident ... not just to alien spacecraft. |
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06-08-26 carib
| Spal: I see your point, of course, but discussions on the issue tend to become toxic, because they end up with equating zionism to racism. |
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06-08-26 spal
I will now be referred to a Buddhist Schpal ... or Dalai Schpal should you prefer ...
;)) |
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06-08-26 spal
| Buy not claiming or insisting an an "identity", but keeping things always "contingent", fluid, temporary, approximate, uncertain this clearly admits ultimate impermanence certainly in our sublunary sphere. To insist on anything else is actually lunatic ... such as the quality of "eternal" jewishness. This is not scientific or logical ... but reeks of arrogance in fact. Of course it doesn't end with the jews - it is simply very sophisticated version. Man's capacity to believe and hope far exceeds his capacity to think. |
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06-08-26 spal
and that anyone who doesn’t like it can go to hell.
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Yeah sure guys. Take your religion and shove it. But clearly here the attitude. "They are exclusively right".
The guy just said it. |
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06-08-26 spal
This is exactly who we are: the Jews.
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Sounds very much like a search for an exclusive identity - as always a problem in the end. |
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06-08-26 Merlino
OK
Following an opinion. Not mine as I am just an outside observer, however likely accurate imho.
"This reaffirms what I’ve been saying since March. Trump believed—and continues to believe—that he can do the same thing with Iran as he did with Venezuela: make a few moves following a brief military incident, issue threats, and then strike a deal with the same regime, only now running it in a neocolonial manner from the White House. He dreams of applying his business approach to the complex conflicts of the Middle East and cannot accept that his method won’t work. It shows he doesn’t understand what has been happening in Tehran since 1979 and why. Israel explains it to him, the Gulf states explain it to him, and the Iranian resistance in exile explains it to him, but it’s no use. With Iran, it’s the same as with Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany: it’s all or nothing; they won’t surrender without taking the bunker in Berlin or without Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Iran will not yield because the very political survival of Shiite Islam is at stake. In this Trumpist context, a 1938 Chamberlain-style model, only Israel benefits in the region and advances relentlessly with every new war proposed to it. The Arabs of the monarchy or emirate line are harmed—cowards useless for any service, militarily and morally incapable of defending themselves. The Iranian people, who were finally yearning for their liberation, are harmed. Trump himself is harmed, as he falls short of even an Obama or a Carter. Trump is a friend of Israel but fails to fully grasp that Jews, in the era of political Zionism from 1897 onward, have no choice but to defend themselves. When we Jews look at Iran, we automatically see the Amalekites, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Seleucid Greeks, the Romans of the first and second centuries, the Catholic Monarchs, the Russian tsars, the Nazis, Nasser, and Arafat. We don’t start from the here and now out of context, because we know the history and the deeper motives behind anti-Jewish action, and we swear they won’t exterminate us. We also make it clear that outsiders don’t matter, and that anyone who doesn’t like it can go to hell. Pure realpolitik, naturally—image doesn’t matter; all that matters is winning, always winning. This is exactly who we are: the Jews." |
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06-08-26 carib
Merlino.
one cop's survival is at stake, the other cop's is not. |
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06-08-26 Merlino
Israel responds to Iranian missiles despite US calls for restraint
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Good cop & bad cop roles? |
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06-08-26 carib
Russia’s security services shut parts of a special surveillance system protecting President Vladimir Putin and his closest aides in the wake of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s assassination in Tehran, according to two people familiar with the matter.
The system — which is separate from the nearly 300,000 cameras that surveil Moscow’s citizens — was only turned back on after engineers combed through it in an attempt to hermetically seal it off from the internet, said one of the people.
The extraordinary precautions were taken after Israeli intelligence harvested vast amounts of video footage from Iran’s traffic cameras to help pinpoint the exact location and timing of a February 28 meeting between Khamenei and his closest aides. Several top security officials were killed at the meeting in the opening salvo of the joint US-Israel war on the Islamic republic.
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06-08-26 carib
| Meanwhile.. Iran said it was halting its military operations against Israel on Monday after a cycle of retaliatory attacks between the two countries had threatened to jeopardise peace efforts in the Middle East. |
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06-08-26 carib
The impression is that Trump, emboldened by the success of the Venezuela Blitzkrieg, stepped into a hornet nest in Iran, without a clear plan of the endgame, and now is stuck.
Personally, I think the only viable solution is regime change in Tehran, performed by the iranians themselves with external help.
But I would not have started the war without a clear definition of the objective. |
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06-08-26 carib
The following is probably a good summary of the situation:
The current situation can be described as a “strategic cul-de-sac.”
Tehran increasingly calculates that time and endurance favor the regime’s survival, while Washington remains constrained by the political and economic costs of another prolonged Middle Eastern confrontation.
Neither side appears willing to fully escalate, yet neither side possesses the strategic flexibility necessary to resolve the underlying conflict itself.
As a result, the core disputes remain fundamentally unchanged. Iran’s nuclear ambitions, missile and drone capabilities, proxy networks, and the future security architecture of the Gulf remain unresolved questions rather than settled realities.
What is most likely to emerge is therefore not a comprehensive peace agreement, but a prolonged framework of managed confrontation designed less to end the conflict than to regulate its intensity and postpone its next phase. |
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06-08-26 carib
| Victor: define "agree with DT". he changes position every 30 seconds.. |
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06-08-26 spal
The boring stuff hasn't worked for a long time.
History suggests that's exactly the moment it starts to.
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06-08-26 spal
Amazon's free cash flow is projected to go NEGATIVE
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My heart bleeds ... not. FFS who cares. |
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06-08-26 spal
Sundar Pichai admitted the thing keeping him up at night is "compute capacity."
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This mofo should honestly just give it up. Imagine being such a pastsy that something as banal as compute capacity would keep you up at night. What a complete wanker. |
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06-08-26 victor
carib, so netanyahu doesn't care about dt?
making him look like a fool.
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Israel responds to Iranian missiles despite US calls for restraint |
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